1.2. Knives Out

Hannah 0:00

Hi guys, welcome back to Off the List, the TV and movie podcast catching you up on all things you want to watch, but don't have time to. I'm your host, Hannah Koch. And today I have with me my friend Phil Brown coming to us from Morristown, New Jersey.

Phil 0:17

What's going on, guys? Hey, good to see you again.

H 0:21

Fun fact, Phil and I recorded this episode a few weeks ago, and I accidentally didn't actually record any of the sound. So he's back for a second time. We're pros. And we're ready.

P 0:31

Love it. Yes. We're ready to go for the learning curve.

H 0:35

Oh, I know. Yeah. You always gotta have that whenever you're starting something. Nothing ever goes right the first time. Gotta be some road bumps. I appreciate your flexibility. And you're helpfulness.

P 0:46

Totally Yeah.

H 0:47

so today we're gonna talk about Knives Out. One of my new favorite movies. I watched it for the first time. New Year's Eve during my like, end of the year movie binge. I'm really excited. I really liked it.

P 1:01

Great movie so glad I watched it. A little late but at least we got around to it. Yeah, my parents are saying this was the last movie that they saw in theaters. Actually, they, yeah, they normally don't go to theaters and I think they decided this will be the one and then Coronavirus hit I think so...

H 1:22

Yeah. Okay, so to get the Knives Out... Oh, yeah. Like some like just kind of fast facts, you know, to give people I like to, you know, give listeners kind of like things they keep in their back pocket. If like, this ever came up in conversation though, they'd sound really smart. Like, "oh, did you know" kind of, yeah. So basics, this movie came out in 2019. You know, roughly two years ago, more or less.

P 1:47

just crazy to think about these like yesterday.

H 1:51

It was written and directed by Rain Johnson, who also wrote and directed at the 2017 Star Wars The Last Jedi.

P 1:58

Loved it, loved it.

H 2:02

Anyway he doesn't have like a lot of big credits. So this was pretty cool to like, come out of the bag. Like with something like so creative?

P

That's so creative. Yeah, like completely different than anything that we've seen in a while. And then now it's propelled him to the forefront of directing. Like he's doing so much big stuff now. Pretty cool.

H 2:23

big names in the film, Daniel Craig. He plays the lead detective... Jamie Lee Curtis plays one of the children of Harlan Thrombey. Who's our murder-suicide victim. Yeah. Then we have Chris Evans, who plays her son Ransom. Some other facts, it has a score of 97% on Rotten Tomatoes. Whether you really value the rotten tomatoes tomator meter or not, I take into consideration and then 97 out of 100 is like very good.

P

Yeah.

H

And then lastly, the screenplay was nominated in the Best Original Screenplay category at the America Academy Awards. But ultimately fell to Green Book, which was also like a great movie and won Best Picture that year. I'm pretty sure. So it was like a pretty tough year and to be even considered for the category like I think is a pretty big deal. It was nominated for three Golden Globes....

P 3:28

Good, you know? Yeah. Yeah.

H 3:32

So we'll get right into kind of the plot. So Knives Out is like a classic. Who'd done it mystery.

P 3:40

Yeah,

H 3:41

major clue vibes.

P 3:43

Seriously, major clue vibes, like, pretty much. That's the whole premise. I feel like but yeah, it was a great refreshing new storyline. Yeah, it was it that's like usually not my I don't know. I. So when I first started watching it, I had no idea what it was gonna be about. Like I had no, I hadn't read any reviews. I didn't know the plot. I didn't know anything. I just knew that the cast was really good. So I was like, Alright, I'll give it a shot. And then yeah, gets into the whole murder mystery. And I hadn't seen something like that in a while. Other than, like, TV shows, I guess. Maybe some TV shows follow that. But yeah, it was super surprising to me. And so well done. One of my favorite movies of the 2019 2020 like movies I watched.

H 4:35

I would second that. So really, it begins right off the bat with the day that the famed mystery writer so we have a mystery movie about a mystery writer Harlan Thrombey, who's found dead in his study throat slit seemingly suicide. His housekeeper walks in lwith his breakfast and there is dead on the couch.

P 4:58

Yeah, crazy opening.

H 5:00

Right? And it literally is like the first three minutes. And then it cuts straight to Marta, who we learn is or was his nurse, and she has not taken the death well.

P 5:12

Not at all.

H 5:13

At this point when I was taking notes, like I was like, ready to catch the villain, I was like, I am here like, this movie's not gonna fool me like, I'm gonna figure it out before they tell us, I was o go. I was like, "Oh, we see him dead now we see Marta. I'm like Marta killed him. That's it." However, like, I also like, a few minutes later, they show us Harlan's mom who's still alive, Wanetta, and then I like wrote down like, oh, Wanetta did it. So I guess I was kind of gonna be like, Look, guys, I proved it, like, I wrote it down. So it might have been a stretch. But so what... what we learned then, was that the day before Harlan's death, that was his 85th birthday.

P 5:58

Yeah, big celebration with everyone there, which is pretty interesting.

Unknown Speaker 6:03

Which made it really easy to then get into, like, all the characters because we had to get alibi, which is what we get next is, you know, the interviews with all parlons family members and our three detectives. So first is Linda who is Jamie Lee Curtis. And that's his oldest daughter. So she like has her own real estate company. She was really close with Harlan. And she like talks about, like being able or willing to play his game, which was kind of like an interesting thing.

Unknown Speaker 6:35

Yeah, very.

Unknown Speaker 6:36

Then we get to her husband, Richard, who they have like a really interesting dynamic and that like, he works with her company or as a member of her company. So it's like, you know, they both have jobs, but he kind of works for her.

Unknown Speaker 6:52

Yeah, interesting family dynamic in the job scene. Sounds like a lot of nepotism to me. But that's

Unknown Speaker 7:02

and they have a prenup, too, which is something we learned which was adds to that kind of tension. Yeah, definitely. Which then kind of like brings about that we learned within his interview that that day, Richard and Harlan got in a fight because Harlan had caught Richard cheating on Linda.

Unknown Speaker 7:19

Yes, lots of lots of drama there. And so it goes throughout the whole movie, which is kind of fun.

Unknown Speaker 7:27

Mm hmm. And it's fun at it, like, like everyone has a motive. So like, why would he want to off Harlan? It's because Harlan knew he was cheating on Linda and he was gonna explode. Yeah, yeah. So and you're like, ooh, Is it him? Well, then we get to Walt, who's Harlan son. Like, yeah, exactly. Walt. He's like, kind of odd, you like seems like and he works for Harlan selling Harley's book. He like runs harlands Publishing Company. So again, with that like nepotism thing that you mentioned. And, you know, he had gotten in a fight with heartland the night before, because Harlan was getting ready to like fire him from the publishing company.

Unknown Speaker 8:07

Yeah. Awesome. More drama,

Unknown Speaker 8:10

no more drama. And so it's like, Alright, well, like, there's his reason. And then we have his family, which is Donna and Jacob, his wife, and then his son. She's like an asshole. She wears pearls all the time. They're very, like, high immigration. And then Jacobs like an alt right troll. Like they literally acknowledge that he sucks.

Unknown Speaker 8:33

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 8:35

He's a weird kid. weird kid. But it's also like, yeah, like they're instantly like out, in my opinion, when I was like, trying to figure out who done it because yeah,

Unknown Speaker 8:44

there's like, they weren't really big. They weren't at all. Yeah, it was mainly just like his immediate sons and daughters to me that that really stuck out. The grandkids just kind of fell into the background. I mean, they play a couple important roles of just being there. But otherwise, yeah, it's all it's all the the immediate family the sons and daughters who have real reasons to kill Harlan.

Unknown Speaker 9:11

Yeah, including his daughter in law Joanie, who is married to his son Neal who is dead. I don't think we really find out why or like how he died, but we just know that he's dead and heartland has been taken care of Joanie and the granddaughter Meg. Yes. Of course. She also has a reason to want him dead because Joanie has been double dipping into the daughter mags, college tuition fund, yeah, wire to the school and also wired to her and Harlan caught it and it's like, well, we're gonna cut you off now.

Unknown Speaker 9:47

Crazy more drama. That's a bad move by Joanie Morris not a fan of that.

Unknown Speaker 9:52

Her like whole thing is like funny she's all like peace, love influencer, beauty brand kind of thing. Then maybe she killed him. I'm like the last kind of like major one for the interviews is Meg, who's Johnny's daughter, but she'd really have any beef with heroin. She didn't even know about the double dipping. She's just kind of like that young. Like, I go to a liberal arts school. I study women in gender studies, which Oh, yeah, they just like make her kind of, I don't know, a satire on that meme. Kind of like a commentary.

Unknown Speaker 10:24

Yeah, like, you know,

Unknown Speaker 10:26

just like the younger generation.

Unknown Speaker 10:29

Yeah, definitely.

Unknown Speaker 10:30

But she was fine.

Unknown Speaker 10:32

Yeah, I was okay with it.

Unknown Speaker 10:34

I kept it real. It's like that.

Unknown Speaker 10:37

Yeah, definitely.

Unknown Speaker 10:39

Um, then finally, we get to mortise first interview. Because she's also come to the house for this. And that's when we learned the weird thing that she is physically unable to lie. She pukes if she lies.

Unknown Speaker 10:53

Yeah, very important part of this movie.

Unknown Speaker 10:57

I think that goes along with just like the creativity of

Unknown Speaker 11:01

like, Who would have thought of that? Oh, yeah, that's a crazy weird thing to have thought of.

Unknown Speaker 11:07

But it does. Come so important.

Unknown Speaker 11:10

Yeah, yeah, we can get to that at a cause comes into the very end, I think there's like two or three major scenes where the vomiting comes into play. But yeah, it's definitely very, definitely good Ryan to have brought that in, like at the beginning. Yeah, is it's important. And I feel like some people, some of the viewers might have, like, forgot about that as we progressed to the movie, but then it comes up comes back up. That's also like, what's great about how like, we find out so much information at the beginning, with all of these interviews, there's just so much to take in. And there's so much information that later becomes important.

Unknown Speaker 11:50

And so much like just insights. We have Linda's like retelling of the birthday party where she like talks about like she's talking about it and we see her and Richard with Harlan as he blows out the candles and then when wall is telling the story. He tells it and we see wall and his family with Harlan as he blows up the candles. It's like yeah, vision and like idea of the relationship with the dad and like where they stood was all like kind of twisted. Yeah. I very much highlights like the unreliable narrator aspect. Like who do you trust your they all suck? Like

Unknown Speaker 12:29

not only do they have different motives to kill Harlan, they all have different, you know, renditions of the story. So just kind of like very, very, very suspicious.

Unknown Speaker 12:39

But we do get like a pretty general like a consensus on the alibi. Yeah. ransom, who is Linda and Richard's son played by Chris Evans. He left the party early. Then Meg leaves early to go see some friends. Joanie, later on the night after everyone's left, she gets up when she heard this boom. She went to check on Harlan and he and Marta, we're playing around with this game board. Linda wakes up every time someone goes up and down the stairs because she's a light sleeper. So she's like, able to confirm like all the times, Marta leaves. 12 o'clock she like comes outside. Walt is on the porch smoking a cigar with Jacob. And then 15 minutes later Harlan comes downstairs to try to get a snack. And Walt like yells at him to go back to bed. Then finally Meg gets home and she wakes up at 3am to the dogs barking in the morning. Harlan is dead. Then it is the 30 minute mark in the movie. And we get to Marta's like actual interview where we learn she's the killer. Crazy.

Unknown Speaker 13:47

Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 13:48

learned so quickly into the movie. It was so like it was confusing because I was like, okay, the second time I watched it, I literally push pause and like look to the market. I'm like 30 minutes like we still have over an hour like, why are they telling us now it's like what is left? There was a lot left. Didn't you just want to know what else happens? And that's kind of exactly what been while blog, but it's active. is feeling I guess as well. That's the rest of the movies him wanting to figure out what else went on? Yeah, it seems like there's a lot that we're missing. So bam, la Blanca, like those interview her and Marta, in her mind replays like the actual scene. So turns out she and Harlan were playing the game and called go, which I've never played before. I did Google it. It's an abstract strategy board game for two players in which the aim is to surround more territory than the opponent. The game was invented in China more than 2500 years ago, and is believed to be the oldest board game continuously played in the present day. We should play that sometime. I would love to play it.

Unknown Speaker 14:57

Thanks. Sounds kind of fun.

Unknown Speaker 14:59

If they have like an app version, you could just like play over. Definitely. Yeah. So anyway, Martin Harlan, we're playing and she's gonna win and he's a sore loser. So he knocks over the board, and he knocks it over. He also knocks over his vials of medicine. So when Marta, like picks it all up, she grabs a bottle, does the amount and injection and then realizes that she messed up the doses? She gave him like 100 milligrams of morphine, when it should be three or something like ridiculous. Yeah. And so she's like, Oh, my gosh, like we got to find the I want to say it's Narcan.

Unknown Speaker 15:38

I think so. I feel like that. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 15:42

She She has it, it came with the morphine kit. She's running through her bag, she's like, I gotta give this to you in like 10 minutes, or you're gonna die and she can't find it. And Harlan is instantly in his like, mystery writer mode. He's like writing down notes. He's like, this is so interesting. What

Unknown Speaker 15:57

a Greek is crazy. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 15:59

this really is turning. So she's freaking out. She's trying to call the ambulance and he stops her. And he's like, Martha, listen, like, your mom is illegal. And she needs to be protected. Like, we need to protect your family. Like, if you get in trouble, like everything else is gonna go down. And he's like, help me help your family.

Unknown Speaker 16:17

Crazy. That's so that's a very interesting, like, final thought to have, like, first thing you thought of was protecting Marta.

Unknown Speaker 16:27

I 100% agree. And that's just again, like so different from the rest of the family. And so weird, like he like these are this is his family that he created. And he just is such a good guy who's willing to then like, have his life and in a way that will protect the woman that potentially just messed up his doses like, Yeah, he's that caring, while the people he spawns are just not.

Unknown Speaker 16:55

Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 16:56

So as martyr was running around, Harlan tripped her and that caused the boom, which is what made Joanie come up. So we like kind of get the insight or, you know, the truth behind the whole alibi, like, what started the chain of events. And so it turns out that Harlan planned everything else from that moment, he walked Marta through, like every step she needed to do, she needed to leave, turn off the road, come back around the back, that dogs weren't gonna bark at hurt, because they knew her. She needed to climb up the post, go in through a different window, put on his robe and come down the stairs like him, get set back up by Walt, and then Harlan was going to be dead. And that, obviously from we learned from the alibi earlier, like it works like his plan worked. Everyone thought that Yeah, no, Marta had been gone for almost a half hour by the time like Harlan had come downstairs to like try and get a snack like he was alive. Marta was gone. No way. Yeah, well, them, which was like, very interesting. And the perk of the house. The house like literally is a clue board. There's like so many like hidden traps, ways and paths and different doors and windows, I like swing out. So that just adds to like, kind of the fun of the movie, I feel like,

Unknown Speaker 18:13

yeah, definitely another one of heartlands, little games. Mm hmm.

Unknown Speaker 18:18

And the other thing, so we get this story, we see it as reviewers from Marta thinking about it in her head, but what comes out, is kind of just again, like that alibi, the detectives are like, okay, and mortar runs into the bathroom and goes and pukes, because she was able to keep it in because she told like half truth, but then we know for sure, like, she had just lied to them. Yeah. Which is really interesting.

Unknown Speaker 18:43

Yeah, I love how they tied that back into a little alibis. You know, vomiting whenever she's lying and stuff like that.

Unknown Speaker 18:51

So the next part of the movie is we get to the memorial party gathering. Yeah. Marta goes outside, and then we'll block it out there. And he's like, Marta, I trust you. You're the only one that had nothing to gain from this death. Like, I want you to be the Watson to my Sherlock like, I want you to, as I go over the grounds. And she's like, Fuck, like,

Unknown Speaker 19:16

yeah, yeah. They're gonna find everything that she did. Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 19:22

my ends up kind of working in her favor, because she's able to kind of clean up the spots where she messed up.

Unknown Speaker 19:28

Yeah, yeah, very tension filled scenes. So I guess they start going to the surveillance video first,

Unknown Speaker 19:37

I think was the first one whereas all around that the still using tape. Yeah, yeah. So Mark was able to like clear the tape. So like, they're like that proof is gone because she pulled off on the wrong side. Um, yeah. Then they go through the tracks. And they're like her footprints are in the mud because it rained and she's able to just like walk right back through them and like cover them all up. Yep. But at the same time, I think what's important is that ransom shows up because it's also well reading day. So we get like the dogs, they hate him, which just came after they saw Marta. And then while Blanca is like, oh, like the dogs like you, they're such a good judge of character. And then yeah, comes in and they're like her like, they hate him.

Unknown Speaker 20:23

Yeah, dogs barking is very important as well.

Unknown Speaker 20:26

So then we go in to the will reading, which is one of my favorite scenes because ransom comes in. He has been gone for everything he comes in, and he just started the pot. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Seems to be really good at doing that. So he was so good. Like everyone like he is the black sheep of the family. Everyone thinks that he's just so entitled, and he drives like a fast, nice car and he has no job. He just like freeload off of Harlan and his parents. And he's a grown adult and they're like, you suck. And yeah, he has no problem. And I'm telling everyone else to their face that they suck. All rolled the Eat shit scene now, because they're just one of my favorites.

Unknown Speaker 21:06

This is not gonna be easy for you. But it'll be good. Nothing good is ever easy. up your ass. jomi you've had your teeth in this family's kid for a long time your ass. Oh, very awkward in front of my

Unknown Speaker 21:31

eyes. Okay, so after the scene, we get the wheel reading. Where learner gets everything somehow gets everything that is a no and no one in the family. And there's the Arab League. Everyone in the family is in there waiting for something. And Marta takes everything.

Unknown Speaker 21:57

You say the publishing company, right?

Unknown Speaker 22:00

I think the Polish writes me. When this starts trying to throw everyone out and she goes, we are still the zombies. This is our house. And they look to the lawyer and he like, goes back into the letter. He's like, including the house, whatever drive also belong somewhere to interesting then to see how quick they turned on her. Yeah. And after we get all these things where they're like, oh, Marta, like we want to take care of you like you're part of you're part of us.

Unknown Speaker 22:32

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 22:33

Linda and Walt had dead separate times been like, I wanted you at the funeral. Like I would.

Unknown Speaker 22:39

Yeah, you know, there's so two faced,

Unknown Speaker 22:42

so to face so sincere. And then I think what was really interesting for me is like so we have this really crazy scene. They do this camera switch actually in the scene, which is really neat. It goes from a steady cam to a handheld as model Yeah, more. Which just highlights like, how crazy it was. Because now you've like a shaky handheld while everyone is like rushing around her like, Did you sleep with my grandpa? Whether it goes with you blinking my father. And they're like how they're all like screaming at her and she's trying to get her car started. And it won't start, who pulls up to save the day, but ransom

Unknown Speaker 23:22

are getting ransom and his fast car is a fast car and not getting a care in the world.

Unknown Speaker 23:29

He's like, get in. And so she jumps in here and they drive off and now they're at a bar and he explains that he knew that he got caught out of the will and that Marta was loving it. Yeah. And it really gave him a change of heart. He was ready to take care of himself. Oh, yeah. literally wrote down at this point, like, wow, ransom is the actual hero here. Like who knew?

Unknown Speaker 23:56

Yeah, literally sounds like he's being a kind person. Like,

Unknown Speaker 24:02

at the same time, though, he like pumps Marta with chili and like, gets her a bowl and then it's like, okay, I want you to tell me the truth. Now. He like Prime's are that if she's gonna lie, like, he'll be ready to catch her. Yeah, so he gets the whole thing. In the meantime, while she's telling him that it comes to the family at the house with the lawyer and we learned about this Slayer rule. If you're going to be in the will and you accidentally or purposefully kill the person like you're caught out. Make sense? Yeah. kill someone for your your money. So they're like, oh, maybe Marta killed him because Ben wall block was there because he thinks maybe it was a murder another suicide. So they're like, oh, maybe Martin did it.

Unknown Speaker 24:44

I know.

Unknown Speaker 24:45

And that's when we get that weird thing where Meg exposes Marta to the rest of the family. They had like a really interesting relationship. Because everyone at that point thought that Maura and her family had come to America legally like they even say that Back in that political scene, they're like Marta like you and your family did it the right way. Anyway, we get back to ransom and Marta, we get the next day, the news and everyone has found out that like, marva got all the money. So like they're outside her house. She shows up there and her mail comes and there is blackmail. Someone has a copy of the toxicology report. Crazy. should show that Harlan was had was gonna die of an od. And so Who does she see? Well, but ransom. Yeah, all the brands so I'm on her side. Break.

Unknown Speaker 25:40

Great guy. Sounds like he's got good intentions so far.

Unknown Speaker 25:43

And all he's in it for is just his cut of the money. Nothing more. Nothing less just his cut. Yep, they go to the coroner's office. Turns out, it's burned down. Someone burned it down.

Unknown Speaker 25:56

Crazy. Wow. So surprising. Oh, my gosh.

Unknown Speaker 26:00

Another twist. And Who is there? Danny and the other detectives. They bought Marta and ransom. And then we have a car chase.

Unknown Speaker 26:10

Oh my gosh. The car cheese is hilarious.

Unknown Speaker 26:13

The movie has it all. Yeah. All these cop cars and they're chasing Marta and her little beat up car and they're gonna catch her. Like, at one point Benny is like alongside of her and he like rolls down the window. And he's like, well, you just pull over please. And she just like slams the brakes and they'll go speeding past and then they like pull off into a parking lot. And the police are right there. They're like, this

Unknown Speaker 26:32

was the stupidest car chase I've ever seen. Literally.

Unknown Speaker 26:38

I think that is the exact quote

Unknown Speaker 26:41

stupidest car chase with the stupidest car. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 26:46

I loved it.

Unknown Speaker 26:47

I loved it. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 26:48

But what was really interesting is they arrest arantxa

Unknown Speaker 26:53

Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 26:53

they're like, oh, Branson, like you're under arrest for the murder of Harlan. And we're all like, we like we all know they got it wrong. And then Benny, so like nonchalant is like, oh, like, you guys take ransom like I'm gonna ride with Marta to the station. We're like, okay, because they like, okay, as if, as a ransom had, like, made her like, do the car chase.

Unknown Speaker 27:19

Yeah, yeah. Sure, we'll go with that for now.

Unknown Speaker 27:24

And that's when we get the first doughnut hole speech, which I can't find online. I think it's a little bit better than when he gives it again later. But I'll play the later one, because that's one I could find. But we have this idea that battle blog is like, there is this donut. something missing in the doughnut hole?

Unknown Speaker 27:42

Yeah, genius. The plot is missing something. And we're about to find out.

Unknown Speaker 27:49

Yes. Meanwhile, Marta still needs to meet her run debut with her blackmailer. So yeah, he likes like, oh, like I gotta stop the dry cleaners and she like runs in and then runs around the bag into where her meeting spot is. And who do we find? Fran? The housekeeper.

Unknown Speaker 28:08

Crazy.

Unknown Speaker 28:09

Is there with the toxicology report. And she herself has odd on morphine. While she was waiting for Marta. weird, weird timing.

Unknown Speaker 28:17

Very weird. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 28:19

Why instead of letting her suppose blackmail or die, Marta saves her and calls 911

Unknown Speaker 28:26

such a good person.

Unknown Speaker 28:27

So now we're almost at the end. Bad while Blanca takes Marta back to the house. And Marta like gives her the full gives him the full rundown. Like this is really what happened. And he's like, Yeah, I know. Like, ransom already told the cops everything. Wow, he really, really held up to that protecting her thing.

Unknown Speaker 28:45

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 28:47

blonk is not sold.

Unknown Speaker 28:50

Nope. Now can you get detective?

Unknown Speaker 28:52

Yes. Now we get the second donut scene where he brings it back up, which I'll play now.

Unknown Speaker 28:59

I spoke in the car about the hole at the center of this donut. And what you and Holland did that fateful night seems at first glance to fill that hole perfectly. a doughnut hole in a doughnut hole. But we must look a little closer. And when we do we see the doughnut hole has a hole in its center. It is not a doughnut hole, but a smaller donut with its own hole. And our donut is not a hole at all. Look, I understand that this is a music for you. was

Unknown Speaker 29:34

really interesting. A great metaphor.

Unknown Speaker 29:36

Very good. Yeah. I love it. It's such a weird little thing, but it kind of fits in with visual punks like personality of saying weird shit.

Unknown Speaker 29:46

Very, like Central.

Unknown Speaker 29:48

Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 29:49

And then we'll finally now it is all coming together. So we've learned that Harlan told ransom he was removing everyone from the world the night that night at the birthday party. And he was giving it all to Marta. ransom, however, did not like this and learn from it. Like he said he did. Instead he did figure out that he was going to take care of himself, and he devised his own plan to kill Harlan. Yeah. he snuck back into the house and switched the contents of the bottles. So there was the medication and the morphine and he sucked him out and switch them. Yeah. And then he took the medical bag, and the like anecdote, but Fran saw him. And when he talks to Marta, though, ransom learned that Marta hadn't actually killed Harlan, because she switched the vials, and the contents of the vials were switched. When she switched the vials themselves. She technically switched them back. She

Unknown Speaker 30:49

like undid why she did, and gave him the actual correct dosage of the medicine he needed. Therefore, everything would have been fine.

Unknown Speaker 30:58

Therefore, Harlan wasn't going to die making that they didn't know that. No, no, because she had no idea the vital source when she looked at the vial and went oh my gosh, yeah. So the toxicology report actually showed that there was no extra dosage in his system. Yeah, he did die by suicide. It's crazy. Oh, yeah. But grandson was still able to like ensure his cut of the money. So like Martha wasn't going to die or wasn't going to fall to the slayer rule since she didn't actually slay Harlan. But ransom then becomes an accomplice so that he ensures he still gets his cut of the money. Like that's how like fast he's able to think in that situation. Yeah, but Fran saw him that day of the funeral when ransom was in the house while everyone was gone. So she was on to him. What we learned is that Fred actually blackmailed ransom and ransom turned it around to blackmail Marta, and then up with Fran earlier and then tried to kill her

Unknown Speaker 31:53

30 leads everywhere. ransom is very smart. Like it's he's, he's thinking so far ahead of everyone at this point. Until, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 32:03

he gets caught. He gets caught until then. He actually confesses because the hospital called Marta to say that friend is alive and ready to talk. And so ransom was like, You know what? Yeah, I did it. Yeah. Then Marta pukas all over him because Fran actually done.

Unknown Speaker 32:22

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 32:27

But she really turned that around to Yeah. And that's when we get ransoms. Final seal the deal bad deed he grabs the knife from the big load that I don't know. What would you crazy RPS just full of knives pointing

Unknown Speaker 32:42

into the center.

Unknown Speaker 32:43

Like a spider web of knives.

Unknown Speaker 32:46

Yeah, it reminds me a lot of the Game of Thrones, throne.

Unknown Speaker 32:50

Yes.

Unknown Speaker 32:51

Yeah. Very cool thing. But apparently, some of them are stage props, and some of them are real. And then it goes, then yeah, you have to think back to that one scene towards the beginning of the movie between Marta and Harlan. When harlands like, Yeah, but these people won't know the difference between a stage prop and a real nice, very important, very, very important line.

Unknown Speaker 33:16

I think since they play it in slow motion. I'm ransom grabbing the knife and jumping at Marta and knocking her to the ground, but it was just slow enough. While I was like, up and down and then I think the best part the sound itself. I feel like it's so important of him with the knife.

Unknown Speaker 33:37

Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 33:39

Just think that sound just like emphasizes the awkwardness.

Unknown Speaker 33:43

Yeah, he's just like, his face of defeat is hilarious.

Unknown Speaker 33:49

He's covered in his COVID Avada.

Unknown Speaker 33:51

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 33:52

Like, Nothing hurts.

Unknown Speaker 33:55

He just like shit.

Unknown Speaker 33:56

No blood.

Unknown Speaker 33:57

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 33:58

So they really they tie up all the loose ends in the night last like five minutes. You know ransoms taken away in the police car. Richard starts freaking out like Linda, we got we've got our lawyers save our son. And at that point, Linda has the letter that Harlan had written or had shown to Richard when they were fighting about the infidelity. Yeah, Richard found it later. It was blank. So he was like, oh, that guy fooled me. But he and Linda had their own special way of communicating as she has changed and it's written and like the Declaration of Independence back from national treasure, invisible ink, he's got like, some heat to it, and it shows up, kind of so that's tied up. They're all kind of like taken away. And we get this final shot of Marta on the balcony. She's got like a blanket around her shoulders and she's drinking out of harlands mug that says, My house my rolls my Yeah,

Unknown Speaker 34:59

yeah. I love that I love that it's so perfect.

Unknown Speaker 35:03

It's so satisfying her like, up above them like looking down at all this craziness. There's a full circle.

Unknown Speaker 35:11

So in the end, happy ending.

Unknown Speaker 35:14

Everyone gets what they deserve. Exactly.

Unknown Speaker 35:16

Yeah. Everyone got their loose ends tied up. It's all good.

Unknown Speaker 35:21

Yeah. So we'll just do a short little break for a second and then we'll kind of talk more about like the big discussion topics that have come out of the movie. Sounds good. All right, we'll be right back. Okay, we're back. Wow, great. Love it. Um, so I think gonna be like, easy, like fun kind of topics that came out of the movie. First off was Chris Evans, fishermen, sweaters. He over them. I didn't think they like super lived up to the hype. But that was just like a need to like cultural thing. It was like everyone was like, Oh, I need that. Yeah, I

Unknown Speaker 35:52

didn't really have an opinion of them. Because I don't even think I saw anything on Twitter. But his sweaters, you know, I just thought it was an interesting wardrobe for his character.

Unknown Speaker 36:04

Yeah, cuz he's so supposed to be like high class like, yeah, hanging out with models and whatnot. And he's like, there's a pulse on it. Yeah. Make some more of an asshole.

Unknown Speaker 36:15

Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 36:17

But speaking of ransom. Do you think you could have figured it out? It was him?

Unknown Speaker 36:22

I don't know. I was pretty cool throughout the whole movie.

Unknown Speaker 36:24

Clearly my first time watching I was I thought, yeah, he was there. And he really helped Marta. Yeah, around. I noticed like some clues. So like, Harlan talks about how similar he and ransom are. When he's like talking to Marta about how he like needs to do something to help arrange them. They're just so similar, which would like make sense. Like when we see Harlan, like devise the plan for Marta to like, cover herself up to like understand, like, how quickly Ransome could have devise a plan to like, kill him? Yeah. And then that's a good one. Oh, and we know from the alibi, that dogs barked at 3am. And we know that they don't bark at Marta. So like, someone had to have been there that they didn't like, Mm hmm. And we learned later on that they don't like ransom. So it's like, that's interesting. Yeah. With that Loretta, when she's, she's like, in the window when Marta comes down after like, fooling everyone that Harlan was awake. And Loretta is like in the window. And she says, ransom back again. So soon.

Unknown Speaker 37:30

Yeah, that was an important, very important line.

Unknown Speaker 37:34

A very important and the again, like that, that specific word like yeah, assuming that he had been back once already.

Unknown Speaker 37:43

Yeah, I remember catching that in the first time I watched it. And I was like, that's interesting.

Unknown Speaker 37:49

Oh, Branson was not the funeral. So like, there's like free time for him.

Unknown Speaker 37:55

So there was I was watching this I think it was like everything right about knives out that YouTube video or whatever. And he brought up a cool little like, Easter egg thing. I don't know where when they went to ransoms apartment. Very clean place. First off, very cool. I would love to have that environment. But they he had like a little wall of growlers of beer growlers, but one of them was missing. Oh, and then we get a flashback. And it's ransomes hand throwing a Growler full of gasoline. Yeah.

Unknown Speaker 38:34

That's really cool.

Unknown Speaker 38:35

That was pretty interesting.

Unknown Speaker 38:37

There are like so many of those little things within the movie. And I like went in again, with the intention of figuring it out. And they were just so slight like they're there to like, show that like, it all makes sense. Like they didn't just throw this out of the blue like eat exactly, absolutely done it. But they are just so slight. Yeah, but it just like,

Unknown Speaker 38:56

wow, yes, over my head is very, very subtle one, but so cool.

Unknown Speaker 39:01

So like, as you mentioned earlier, the kind of big reveal at the end is that that while Blanca knew Marta was the killer because of the bladder issue. And I think a lot of the time before that, before that very end where he's like, Yeah, no, I knew, like I had questioned whether he was a good detective or not. Yeah. But I think there are signs like throughout the movie before him at the very end, saying he knew that that he was. So he keeps going back to like that idea that someone paid him so like, yeah. And then he again had said that Martha was the only one with nothing to gain from heartlands murder like he is thinking big picture. Like rolling her as the killer like would have been too easy.

Unknown Speaker 39:41

Yeah, exactly. And arresting her from the very star when he saw the blood on his shoes would have been he wouldn't have gotten the full the full story that way. He would probably just gotten Marta story and that's the end of it, wrapped it up but but instead We have a whole nother player ransom. And we need to figure out what his motives were in what he did. Yeah.

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